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Topic started by suhas (@ 203.197.56.112) on Tue May 16 03:28:30 .
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Hi Folks

This thread is to discuss Raga Begada.

The raga is said to be one which is completely defined only by its gamakas or ornamentations.In fact it is also said that the raga cannot be played on an instument like the harmonium.
I basically want to discuss the ornamentationms involving each swara.

Also the raga has multiple Arohanam-Avorohanam.(I think Laxman once posted all the aro-avo of this raga but I request him to do so once more ,as I cant locate the thread).Whenever I ask people how the multiple aro-avo is used the general answer that I get is that artist dont actually use the aro-avo.They just have a "feel" of the raga.Perhaps some of you experts out there could clarify this point as well.

Please post whatever information you know about this raga-whether regarding the gamaks or some characteristic phrases or some Kritis that you feel the netters must know about.

Thanks in advance.

Bye

Responses:

From: suhas (@ 203.197.56.112) on: Tue May 16 03:36:20 EDT 2000

OOPS .Sorry for the typo in the first line.The thread is for Sahana and not Begada
From: suhas (@ 203.197.56.39) on: Sat May 20 06:17:23 EDT 2000

One of you netters posted this thread.I just want to thank Him

http://www.sangeetham.com/raganubhava/sahana.htm
From: Nadopasaka (@ afppp26.buffnet.net) on: Sat May 20 09:38:16 EDT 2000

Although not officially bhashaanga, a Sadharana gandhara can creep in to Sahana, giving it a Kanada feel. May be this ( in part ) is leading to the multiple scale view.
From: Ravi Kiran (@ 210.214.123.199) on: Sat May 20 14:04:46 EDT 2000

nado,
not only the G2 touch, but the ma da ni sa' phrase
also, if not used judiciously can lend the kanada touch to sahana.
incidentally, the name sahana itself is disputed.
chitraveen ravikiran once said that shana is a more authentic name for it. infact, this name - shaana is the mudra used by MD in his navaavarana
krithi and others.
another disputed phrase in sahana is the
sa ni da phrase both in the madhya and the mandhra sthaayi. authentic sahana is supposed to have only the sa da phrase.
lastly, the pa da ni sa' which appears in the sahaana varnam is not seen to appear in any other krithi.
From: Nadopasaka (@ ahppp4.buffnet.net) on: Sat May 20 20:14:29 EDT 2000

RaviKiran, One fine Sahana is the kriti 'Inni yenna pecchuh..., ellore kum nahaipacchu ?' rendered by Ramnad Krishnan. This may be a javali, not sure.

The 'shana' word appears in Vilak-shana, hari-shana etc. This may simply be the suchita method used by MD. There is a word 'sahanatat' in one of the MD Darbars. There is a Hindustani raga Sahana or Shahana as well so I am not sure about the use of Shaana. Perhaps Lakshman, PPN , S or you can clarify.
From: S (@ wwwgate1.motorola.com) on: Tue May 23 11:06:16 EDT 2000

Nado, in fact I have heard some old timers saying that s'ahAnA ( ie shahaanaa ) and s'AvErI are the correct pronunciations as opposed to sahAnA and sAvErI - don't know how correct their claim is.
From: Nadopasaka (@ aappp41.buffnet.net) on: Tue May 23 13:01:31 EDT 2000

S, In this connection, the MD Asaveris ( those known ) don't seem to carry the raga mudra as well. Perhaps PPN can comment. Karikalabha doesnt seem to resolve the s/sh sound matter either way. The Ramanujachari Tyagaraja Spirit. The book uses Shahana in the Devanagari text.

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