Topic started by Deepak (@ novapharm-bh.sandgway.com) on Fri Mar 3 14:35:51 .
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- From: Sree (@ 134.243.96.152)
on: Fri Mar 3 15:17:48 EST 2000
It is like any other field of performing arts -- movies, theaters and even sports. Talent is an essential ingredient. But that alone does not propel someone to become famous. There are numerous intangibles such as luck. Most of them are good. Those who are mediocre will fall by the wayside while good ones will last long.
Also, what is the definition of "dominate"? Does it mean the ability to draw huge crowds? Ona given day, Yesudas may draw more crowd than Semmangudi. Does that mean he dominates C. Music scene? By dominate, you mean respect commanded by someone from their peers, objective critics and knowledgeable rasikas then most of the "dominant" ones deserve to be where they are.
My 2 cents.
- From: Sree (@ 134.243.96.152)
on: Fri Mar 3 15:27:11 EST 2000
>what do you think are the necessary
> ingredients for a successful music professinal
The most important ingredient for someone to be successful in any given profession including making idlis ;-) is the dedication to the art.
Kidding aside, as Tyagaraja says, "sangItha njanamu bhakthi vina sanmArgamu galadE" in his sAramathi piece, reverence to the art is important.
aazha nenjachththu aasai ulathenin naalai athu ninaivaagum -- an unceasing passion to excel in that art is important.
Equally important is the respect that one has for tradition.
Understanding the feeling behind the krithis is important. An artiste singing "nidhi chAla sukhamA" after fighting with the organisers over concert fee would sound hollow, even to himself. ;-)
Of course, connection to powerful people also helps. ;-) Nah, just kidding!! ;-)
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aappp44.buffnet.net)
on: Fri Mar 3 17:04:22 EST 2000
It seems to me that many of the current 'professional' Carnatic musicians have alternate careers. We should make a list. Many indulge in it like a hobby or pastime. Even within the use of their vocal or instrumental talent, Carnatic music is only a part of their repertoire. Compare this with a MahaVaidyanath Iyer, who rarely spoke for fear of hurting his voice !
I have also heard mendicants in crowded buses and trains, 'professionally' moving through the crowd with the begging bowl as a makeshift ghatam, singing surprisingly well though somewhat untutored phrases.
There is pressure on performers to become gaudy entertainers and there 'professional' fate can often be determined by the capacity of their listeners. In this sense they reflect the 'vidwath' of the 'kshetra' , the times, and the quality of the patronage. There is no doubt, for example, that the Trinity who were all great vaggeyakaras, had a symbiotic relation with Tiruvaiyar.
- From: Vasu (@ s04.austin.ibm.com)
on: Fri Mar 3 18:48:10 EST 2000
Sree:
Is there a recording of sangeetha gnanamu bhakthi vina in saramathi? If so I would like to hear that. I have heard it only in dhanyasi. Thanks!
- From: Nadopasaka (@ abppp19.buffnet.net)
on: Fri Mar 3 19:30:47 EST 2000
I think Sree might have also meant 'Sakshaatkara ne sadbhakti sangeeta gyana vihinulavu' from the Saramati- Mokshamu galada
The bhakti vs. gnanam concept seems to have bothered Sri Tyagaraja frequently.
If anyone has dared 'sangeeta gnanamu' in Saramathi, it might be BMK.
- From: Lakshman (@ hse-kit-ppp38716.sympatico.ca)
on: Sat Mar 4 19:24:45 EST 2000
Nadopasaka and or Sree:
I can imagine BMK singing Sangita jnanamu in Saramati! But he has sung a song Nee balama nama balama in Anandabhairavi/Adi as part of Sangeetha cassette 6ECD 6211 ang the composer's name is given as Tyagaraja. As far as I know Tyagaraja has composed only three songs in this raga. This one seems to new. Any ideas how?
- From: Sree (@ flnta020-0473.splitrock.net)
on: Sat Mar 4 22:12:37 EST 2000
Vasu: Thanks for pointing out my genuine oversight. I was humming and musing about mokshamu galadA and wrote that sentence. Indeed I have also heard sangIta jnanamu is dhanyAsi. That was a friday evening post. ;-) Leaving that lame excuse aside, I stand corrected. ;-)
Lakshman: You are our CM Database guy! ;-)
- From: Sree (@ flnta020-0473.splitrock.net)
on: Sat Mar 4 22:32:37 EST 2000
That should read "sangIta jnanamu" *in* dhanyAsi.
A request to my ex-colleague Rajaram of KRDL ;-): Is it possible to add the facility to spell check and to edit a post? Thanks.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp8.buffnet.net)
on: Sun Mar 5 02:19:57 EST 2000
Lakshman
I think the folks at Sangeeta should check with other databases before printing multiple copies of incorrect information.
It could be a method of attracting people to a persons compositions, who might be repelled otherwise, this temporary usurping of name.
Kavyamimamsa suggests that the present day poet and wife are both unappreciated !! ( PratyakshakaviKavyam .... !! )
BMK and others gnaw at this slowness of the passage of time in the often futile search to become living legends.
It seems , however, that either because of language or tala restrictions, MD and Syama Sastri krities are not tampered with. But , as you point out elsewhere, this could be the new frontier.
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp10268.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Sun Mar 5 07:57:40 EST 2000
Sree:
My database lists Sangita jnamamu of Tyagaraja in Dhanyasi and it is the only song with these starting words.
- From: Deepak (@ dialup-63.208.119.152.weehawkin1.level3.net)
on: Sun Mar 5 18:21:53 EST 2000
Dear All,
Thanks for all your responses to my initial query on "Carnatic Music profession". It was quite interesting to note Thyagaraja krithis bringing out the relation between Gnyana and Bhakthi.
As Nadopasaka mentioned, Carnatic musicians have alternate careers to fall back on if their music career comes to an end earlier than expected. Also their careers primarily are in the hands of the rasikas and also depends on luck and related factors like influence with the sabha organizers, etc.,
mmm...The field I believe is commercialized beyond ones imagination. No longer could I listen Nithyashree, Gayathri Girish, TNS, BMK for free
(I have no specific liking to any of these artistes..:-))
Thanks once again
Deepak
- From: Diwakar (@ 206.175.177.136)
on: Mon Mar 6 14:58:54 EST 2000
I have heard that performers PAY sabhas to host their concerts. Can anyone throw any light on this? Or is it just one of those I-heard-someone -tell-my-friend's-neighbour's-colleague-about-a-guy-he-met kind of things?
- From: Isai Rasigai (@ dialup-63.210.132.91.boston1.level3.net)
on: Mon Mar 6 15:16:37 EST 2000
Some UPcoming!@ musicians are known to PAY to stage their talents (?) Genuine talent needs no publicity/bribe :)
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aappp46.buffnet.net)
on: Mon Mar 6 23:43:10 EST 2000
Mediocrity knows but itself. Only talent recognizes genius - Sherlock Holmes
(copyright Arthur Conan Doyle)
What about the AIR broadcasts ?
- From: nandini (@ 1cust207.tnt9.charlotte.nc.da.uu.net)
on: Thu Mar 9 15:20:44 EST 2000
I for one know very well that you get a concert in all the major sabhas at Madras ONLY if you have money to throw or if you know the Secretary/president.
I have had personal experience with this......the concerts you can get are the ones in some corner of madras(ie temples and small time organisations).
I dont know about the famous performers......i do know that a lot of musicians befriend secretarys and other sabha members....
Also, they promise donations to the sabha for a chance to sing intheir annual events......the sabha people themselves ask you for a donation!
- From: Vasu (@ s02.austin.ibm.com)
on: Thu Mar 9 17:07:14 EST 2000
Nadopasaka:
which story is that quote from? i have been trying to remember it for a long time :-( thx
- From: Vasu (@ s04.austin.ibm.com)
on: Thu Mar 9 17:46:26 EST 2000
Nadopasaka, I think the correct wordings as I remember is:
"Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself, but talent instantly recognizes genius".
sorry to digress guys.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp86.buffnet.net)
on: Thu Mar 9 18:26:51 EST 2000
http://www.sherylfranklin.com/sherlock.html
Vasu this site will help. You are right I mixed it up. It is from the Valley of Fear. In my opinion Columbo is the movie successor to Holmes.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aappp29.buffnet.net)
on: Fri Mar 10 11:02:17 EST 2000
Vasu, actually it is not Holmes who said that. It was Conan Doyle speaking through Watson. It comes right in the beginning ( end of Chap. 1, the Warning ). Watson (Doyle) was referring to an Inspector at the Yard showing the proper deference to Holmes.
nandini or others,
Where do the donations to the sabhas go ?
- From: nandini (@ 1cust132.tnt9.charlotte.nc.da.uu.net)
on: Fri Mar 10 15:01:40 EST 2000
nado: in their pockets,man!
It also goes into their funds/treasury! I'm sure they have numerous expenses when it comes to a major function......so personal expenses will be taken from this!
It's very easy to write 'naalu kapi,rendu masala dosai'!!!
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp2657.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Fri Mar 10 16:55:46 EST 2000
Nadopasaka:
You had asked a question regarding shortest and longest kritis somewhere. I found a composition of Purandaradasa titled Draupadi Manasamrakshanam which has 16 stanzas, each one with about 7 or 8 lines. It is set to Bhupala/Nilambari and the beginning words are: Vasudevaya namo namaha.
It does not fit the standard pallavi, anupallavi,charanam format though.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp49.buffnet.net)
on: Fri Mar 10 20:52:04 EST 2000
That is a very interesting choice of ragas ! Bhupala would roughly classify as 'waking' and Nilambari as a 'lullaby'.
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