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Philadelphia Philoharmonic Orchetsra has decided to play only 20th century music starting next season. What will happen if the same rule is applied by Carnatic Music artists?
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- From: Lakshman (@ hse-kit-ppp38803.sympatico.ca)
on: Thu Feb 24 16:40:05 EST 2000
Nadopasaka:
As Sree noted Tanangambadi Panchanada Iyer lived between 1824 and 1874 and was a disciple of Shyama Shastri. Manambuchavadi Venkatasubbier was a cousin of Tyagaraja and his disciples were Maha Vaidyanatha Iyer, Patnam Subramania Iyer and Sarabha Shastri and Tyagaraja the grandson. Exact dates are not available.
Vinai Kuppier was a disciple of Tyagaraja- born in 1798 and lived 106 yrs and died in 1904.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ abppp47.buffnet.net)
on: Fri Feb 25 09:00:33 EST 2000
Vinai Kuppier's longevity certainly helps the argument for the health related benefits of CM being discussed on another thread.
(CM and use in medicine )
Also Sadashiva Brahmendra. He must have been a real fossil to be even considered for the reported 200 + years.
- From: Sree (@ 134.243.96.152)
on: Fri Feb 25 09:06:10 EST 2000
Lakshman,
It is tarangampAdi. Some people call it talangampAdi. British called it Tranqubar.
No, it is highly likely that TPI was not a sishya of Shyama Sastri (1762-1827). He could not have been Syama's sishya as SS passed away in 1827. TPI (1824-1874) would have been 3 years old at that time. There is a remote chance that SS might have initiated TPI before passing away. The most likely person who taught TPI would be Subbaraya Sastri (1803-1862), son of Syama S.
- From: Sree (@ 134.243.96.152)
on: Fri Feb 25 09:20:41 EST 2000
Nadopasaka
I also believe that music calms your nerves thereby contributing to longevity.
Some of those that lived (living) around 80 or so years are : Tyagaraja, Purandara Dasa, Ramaswami Dikshitar (father of MD), Ariyakudi, Mysore Vasudevachariar, MSS, SSI, DKP et al.,
60-70 seems to be the median. Examples : Badrachala Ramadasa, MD, SS, Subbaraya Sastri, Maha Vaidyanatha Iyer, TarangampAdi P. Iyer, Patnam, Poochi, MMI, GNB, MDR and a whole bunch of others...
That's well above the average age for an Indian!
- From: Sree (@ 134.243.96.152)
on: Fri Feb 25 09:22:21 EST 2000
I mean, "well above the life expectancy for an Indian"
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp7827.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Fri Feb 25 10:19:09 EST 2000
Nadopasaka & Sree:
I may have misled you about the age of Vinai Kuppier. The info that I posted was obtained from some book but I have another reference, this time by P.Sambamurti, who states that Kuppier died in 1860 which looks more likely. I will check again about Panchanada Iyer.
- From: Sree (@ 134.243.96.152)
on: Fri Feb 25 12:36:04 EST 2000
Prof Sambamurthy's article is my source on Panchanada Iyer.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp7.buffnet.net)
on: Sat Feb 26 06:21:33 EST 2000
Lakshman
Can you comment on whether Bangalore S. Mukund is a performer i.e. vocalist or instrumentalist ? I somehow think Muthiah B., Koteeswara I. , Thanjavur S. Iyer etc, were less performers than Patnam S. or Mys. Vasudevachar or GNB.
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp10305.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Sat Feb 26 09:19:40 EST 2000
Nadopasaka:
He is neither. He is a composer par excellence! His compositions have been used extensively by dancers. They have not become popular on the concert stage yet. He lives in Bangalore.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ adppp1.buffnet.net)
on: Sat Feb 26 10:20:58 EST 2000
I am aware that Oothukadu V. Iyer's compositions ( he may be of the 20th century ) appear in some of the Dhananjayan dance recitals. I would like to listen to what B. Mukund may have in Yadukula Kamboji especially. How old is he ? Are the prati-madhyama melas well represented in his krities ?
Which artistes are likely to know them ? Does being a performer help or hinder in spreading ones own krities ?
It can be very difficult to get out of the great vaggeyakaras long shadows.
- From: Lakshman (@ ppp2669.on.bellglobal.com)
on: Sat Feb 26 10:49:11 EST 2000
Nadopasaka:
I have about 800 odd song titles of his but no full lyrics of any. He told me his compositions number about 4500. He has written a scholarly book titled Sangita Lalitya Lahari in which he lists a number of kritis that have been utilized in dance performances. In my list there are two songs in Yadukulakambhoji.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aappp2.buffnet.net)
on: Sat Mar 4 01:24:02 EST 2000
There is a fine kriti in Vishnupriya ' Balasubramanyam Padame thunai' by Thanjavur Shankara Iyer. I think TVS sang it and also said that the raga was reveled by TSI. any other krities in this or info. about this raga ?
Another minor composer is Tiruvottiur Tyagayya.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ aappp2.buffnet.net)
on: Sat Mar 4 01:24:56 EST 2000
that should be 'revealed'
- From: Sree (@ flnta020-0473.splitrock.net)
on: Sat Mar 4 22:24:21 EST 2000
Nadopasaka:
>I am aware that Oothukadu V. Iyer's compositions
> ( he may be of the 20th century )
I'm pretty sure UththakkAdu vEnkata subbier is not a 20th century composer. He is either a 19th or 18th century composer. Let me confirm this on Monday.
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