Topic started by Dave on Wed Feb 9 11:54:09 .
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Hindustani Dhrupad uses "nom" "na" sounds and Karnatic Ragam Thanam Pallavi(RTP) uses "nom" "tha" patterns.
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- From: Nick Haynes (@ host.sumitomomarine.co.uk)
on: Wed Feb 9 12:00:19 EST 2000
The thanam section of RTP uses these sylables.
--remembers vaguely--: something to do with the
names of god. If this is the case, and if it has anything to do with ancient language such as Sanscrit then I wouldn't be surprised to find it cropping up in different kinds of Indian music.
- From: Aditya Vedula (@ )
on: Tue May 16 16:32:22
Dave, as Nick says this particular usage might be common to both musical traditions ( before divergence into individual styles ). Also, we tend
to look at karnatic, Dhrupad and Khayal as distinct entities with little interaction whereas
in older times they freely exchanged ideas and techniques. The very fact that many Raagas of Karnatic origin are found in North Indian music and vice-versa tells us of this interaction. Dhrupad was certainly not unknown to South Indian Vidwans as many travelled to Varanasi (Benares, the holy city) in the North.
The Nom Tom aalap of Dhrupad introduces a pulse through those syllables to the long unmetered aalap that precedes it before launching into the actual Dhrupad composition with the pakhawaj. Similarly in a Karnatic RTP performance, the initial Raagaalapana (Ragam of RTP, which could use these syllables in an unmetered fashion depending on the artists inclination) is followed by the Taanam which introduces a pulse into the aalap through the use of the the syllables "taa nam" before launching into the Pallavi with the Mridangam. You would notice this when you listen to a full presentation of a Raaga in Karnatic RTP which is not too common to find on recordings.
The traditional full presentation of a Raaga as RTP is very similar to that of a Dhrupad performance. Some consider Karnatic to have diverged from a common form around the time of Purandhara Daasa. I cannot recall the date. We must also remember that ideas might be borrowed and standardized at later times too.
- From: Vasu (@ s07.austin.ibm.com)
on: Tue May 16 16:50:17 EDT 2000
One view why syllables like "nam" "thom" is used in Carnatic Music is - the syllables are a break up of the word "anantam" (in skrt meaning endless, also referred to any of the Gods - Shiva, Vishnu etc). The word anantam was split to "a" "nam" "tam" etc, and was used for tanam exposition. The origin of RTP is probably around 1000-1200 CE I think, but not sure.
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