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relation between carnatic music and mathematics
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- From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Sun Jun 8 04:48:19 EDT 2003
Say,
one (pause) two, one two three
one (pause) two, one two three
this is called time measure in music.
next lesson frequency of the 22 semitones
- From: Nick (@ mridangam.demon.co.uk)
on: Mon Jun 9 05:58:23 EDT 2003
Quite. Music of any kind is only two things; rhythm and pitch. Both are expressions of numbers.
But the way carnatic rhythm uses calculation is perhaps different to other music in the world?
- From: Nick (@ mridangam.demon.co.uk)
on: Mon Jun 9 06:01:41 EDT 2003
Also... I'm glad to say that I haven't found any algebra, geometry, calculus, etc etc in the music yet, though nothing would surprise me. So perhaps we'd better say Arithmetic.
- From: Ramadas (@ dclient80-218-16-146.hispeed.ch)
on: Mon Jun 9 06:13:34 EDT 2003
Tensors, fourier?
Surely they must be there!!!
- From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Mon Jun 9 06:43:39 EDT 2003
perhaps in systhetic music. Fourier transformations may have been used to analyse the waveforms of, say, the violin. And the odd and even harmoniacs results used to make electronic chips for sound synthesis.
But, I don't think musicians are unduly bothered about the waves they are making - so long as they can have some music.
- From: idiappam (@ trillke2.rz.uni-hildesheim.de)
on: Tue Jun 17 20:12:41 EDT 2003
what about balu raghuraman violin is he good
- From: Rohan (@ 24.247.126.246.kzo.mi.chartermi.net)
on: Tue Jun 17 22:55:32 EDT 2003
Nick, there is plenty of alegbra (if not the other types you mentioned) in carnatic music, especially in the rhythm. It's somewhat hard to explain, but whenever you hear something that is presented once, then twice, then thrice, or things like that, there is usually an algebraic method to work it out (although many mridangist just use trial and error).
- From: Lakshman (@ kit-nas3-33.124.porchlight.ca)
on: Tue Jun 17 23:17:09 EDT 2003
Those who want some mind boggling math in CM to ponder please get hold of a copy of C.S.Iyer's The Grammer of South Indian Music published many years ago.
- From: Nick (@ mridangam.demon.co.uk)
on: Wed Jun 18 15:57:56 EDT 2003
Oh, Rohan, I can hardly cope with what I've discovered so far; *please* don't make it worse ;-))))
(did I mention that I was thrown out of the maths class at school?)
(come to think of it, I was thrown out of the music class too;-( )
Seriously; how about korvais where each repetition is in a diferent nadai? Algebra might help to work that out?
- From: Nick (@ mridangam.demon.co.uk)
on: Wed Jun 18 15:58:50 EDT 2003
Idiappam;
>> what about balu raghuraman violin is he good
why?
- From: Vidya (@ dialup-67.72.205.43.dial1.detroit1.level3.net)
on: Wed Jun 18 16:17:36 EDT 2003
Nick & Rohan You guys must be knowing more on this.
Doesn't the tAlaprastAra essentially look like a truth table with all combinations worked out?
- From: Idiappam (@ 210.186.159.118)
on: Thu Jun 19 05:28:26 EDT 2003
looks like there exist more than one Idiappam - one from Singapore, one from Europe. Now I am the third from Malaysia. Looks like idiappam is getting to be a hot favourite!
- From: Nick (@ mridangam.demon.co.uk)
on: Thu Jun 19 06:10:58 EDT 2003
Talaprastara --- I've never been able to see the point in the fact that one 32 is the same as 32 ones.
In the first place it is obvious, and in the second place only a few of those combinations will be musical. It doesn't make any more practrical sense than a table of all the thousands of theoretically possible ragas would
- From: Nick (@ mridangam.demon.co.uk)
on: Thu Jun 19 06:13:45 EDT 2003
Oh, Balu Raghuraman and calculations? Yes, he does love his calculations! But his music is sweet and exquisitely beautiful and I am very happy that he is here in UK.
- From: Venkata Narayana Voleti (@ host163-122.wipro.net.in)
on: Wed Aug 27 04:53:00
There is a great scope of application of mathematics in classical music particularly in "TALAPRASTARAS". Sangeeta Vidwan 'Aakella Mallikarjuna Sarma' of Hyderabad(India) is the only person in the field of music who did research on "tAlaprastAra" and wrote several books on this topic. This topic requires extensive use of mathematics as explained by him in his books.
- From: Jayshree (@ mail.mdi.ac.in)
on: Sat Sep 6 11:38:52 EDT 2003
I did math in art in college, but this is far more exciting....how do I start?
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