Topic started by Sujit Nair on Mon Feb 7 00:47:44 .
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Could someone please explain the main differences
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- From: Narayanan (@ 195.224.238.98)
on: Mon Feb 7 04:03:03 EST 2000
I donot know much about western Classical Music but one of the main differences between ICM and WCM is the use of GAMAKAMS. WCM mostly uses flat notes whereas in ICM Gamakams are used wherever possible. The Raga Lakshanam lies in the way the swara is being played.
- From: Oommen (@ dll2a010-0423.splitrock.net)
on: Mon Feb 7 23:54:02 EST 2000
Check the following link for an interesting article which has a section on this topic:
http://www.aoe.vt.edu/~boppe/MUSIC/PRIMERS/icmb.html
- From: Prasad (@ hoproxy2.proxy.lucent.com)
on: Fri Feb 11 01:43:07 EST 2000
The main raga used in WCM is Sankharabharanam although one can also find Natabhairavi or kIravani
can any body mentio more on the raga usage
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp7.buffnet.net)
on: Fri Feb 11 04:46:15 EST 2000
This is not a 'flip' response. I haven't listened to WCM but is there a 'strict dress code' for WCM performing artistes . Not sure of relevance, though.
- From: Sree (@ 134.243.96.152)
on: Fri Feb 11 09:30:35 EST 2000
There are also some more differences between ICM and WCM. I remember reading an article about that by Prof. Sambamurthy. If my memory serves me right, the differences mentioned are
(a) WCM is harmonic while ICM is melodic.
(b) WCM compositions are set to a particular key (shruthi) while ICM can be sung in any key that suits a singer's voice.
Before I go any further, I need to get hold of the article. ;-) Stay tuned.....
- From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg)
on: Fri Feb 11 21:12:08 EST 2000
Take a look at this thread:
http://tfmpage.com/forum/14630.12.38.51.html
- From: jag (@ proteus.dis.mq.edu.au)
on: Tue Feb 29 00:04:54 EST 2000
ICM and WCM are very different. WCM is composed whereas ICM is improvised, which makes more complex.
- From: kk (@ bbndrel5.net.external.hp.com)
on: Tue Feb 29 01:41:56 EST 2000
How ICM is documented without using notes?
- From: kk (@ bbndrel5.net.external.hp.com)
on: Tue Feb 29 01:42:18 EST 2000
How ICM is documented without using notation.
- From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp64.buffnet.net)
on: Tue Feb 29 13:00:48 EST 2000
> ICM and WCM are very different. WCM is composed >whereas ICM is improvised, which makes more >complex.
Jag, better crawl out from under Alice's Rock or whereever else you are. Carnatic music has plenty of compositions.
- From: Yaman (@ hil-qbu-pth-vty113.as.wcom.net)
on: Tue Feb 29 23:31:20 EST 2000
ICM is passed on from teacher to student. Parampara. The basic composition(at least in NICM)
can be written by using S R G..etc. using a dot above or line under for komal etc.
WCM is strictly composition, but ICM uses the composition as a platform for improvisation. The concept of raag is more subtle.
- From: nick haynes (@ s57.pool.pm3-tele-2.cix.co.uk)
on: Wed Mar 15 16:11:31 EST 2000
Another small difference imperfectly explained...
Western (C or otherwise) does not have a strict discipline about tempo: this can be changed according to the whim of the composer/performer.
a Carnatic music composition never changes its tempo from start to end. It uses half speed, double speed, quadruple speed etc and wickedly complex techniques of playing 3, 4, 5, 7 or 9 'pulses' to the 'beat'. but the underlying tempo does not change.
- From: RR (@ sbproxy2.mystarhub.com.sg)
on: Wed Mar 15 21:15:40 EST 2000
NIck Haynes: I think it's not strictly true for Hindustani.
- From: nick haynes (@ host.sumitomomarine.co.uk)
on: Thu Mar 16 07:57:52 EST 2000
RR; I agree, but I don't know anything about Hindistani theory. Recently I was playing Morsing, following my teacher on mridangam, with a group of Sitar players. I asked my teacher afterwards if there was any rule as to the speeds they had played and he said no.
- From: nick haynes (@ host.sumitomomarine.co.uk)
on: Fri Mar 17 08:26:59 EST 2000
Another contribution:
In Western composition you can change key if you
want to. In Indian (carnatic, at least) this would be very bad!
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