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- From: Pasupathy (@ pas.dialup.cs.toronto.edu)
on: Tue Nov 21 16:27:58 EST 2000
á:
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ȡ. šﺢ â. ¨ vanjinaathan ؾ vanchinaathan ھ иȡ. Ţ ȡ ġ. vaanjchinaathan â â¡ .
Ƣ վ Ȣ š . 'vaanchinaathan' վ â.( վ .) â 'vaanjinaadhan' . վ 'naathar' Ƣ 'naadhar' ȡ. 'Ӹ' վ 'mukam' . Ƣ ' muham/mugam' â. â ɾ 츽 â. ShaNmukamaa , ShaNmugamA ġ Ţš ո. â, ¡ Ţ.
- From: .ç/Chandra (@ hide-110.state.me.us)
on: Wed Nov 22 19:30:38 EST 2000
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â ž â Ţ...
ٿ â.
Ψ (posting acceptance script) Ψ¢ ¢ ¢ž ̨Ȧ... Ȣ측...
- From: .ç/Chandra (@ rr-165-122-126.atl.mediaone.net)
on: Mon Nov 27 22:43:22 EST 2000
Ӹ Ȣ:
áŢ Ƣ¢ Ȣ .
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DEDR (Dravidian Etymological Dictionary- Revised 1984)- ѨƦ: 4889 .
Ƣ Ӹ, , ﺢ, Ӹ .
żƢ¢ .
á:
Ƣ ġĢ Ȣ ƨ á . Ģ.
Ӿ: ka ()
: ka (측)
Ģ¢ ¢áĢ, ¢ɦ¢
(intervocalic): ha (Ҹ, ), (velha)
[ żƢ ; Ģ ǧ!... ̨ ¢ Ģ]
Ģ: ga ()
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¢ɦ¢ Ģ fa pa- Ģ.
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: dhaȢ dh ĢĢ¡ Ģ (Ȣ za-Ţ ).
- From: Ragavan Gopalasmy (@ 164.164.128.13)
on: Tue Nov 28 07:59:58 EST 2000
, â 츽 Ţ ڸ. 츽 Ţ ġŨ¢ á š ڸȣ. ȢЦġġ?
- From: .ç/Chandra (@ rr-165-122-126.atl.mediaone.net)
on: Tue Nov 28 10:32:45 EST 2000
á:
Ө¢ .
츽 â.
ɡ 측ħ šھ Ģ Ӹ .
áŢƢǢ .
áŢ Ĩ Ģ f-p-b ĢǢ Ƣħ â.
츢 Ǣ .
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Ч -
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Ģ측Ţ ž š.
Ч .
áŢƢ¢ Ȣ 즸.
ɡȡ DEDR Ȣ áŢƢ š żƢ Ģ 측 ¢ ħ .
šǢ ڸ θ.
ġ.
- From: .ç/Chandra (@ rr-165-122-174.atl.mediaone.net)
on: Sat Dec 2 23:42:11 EST 2000
http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/2/0,5716,118132+2+109791,00.html
¢ Ţ Ģ¢ Ȣ ͦŦ :
"...
There was only one
series of obstruant phonemes (distinctive sounds); these sounds were voiceless (produced
without vibration of the vocal cords) initially and voiced (with vocal cord vibration) between
vowels. All Proto-Dravidian roots were monosyllables...."
ɢ : ؾŢ. Ţ â¾ ȡ.
- From: .ç/Chandra (@ hide-110.state.me.us)
on: Thu Dec 7 01:22:42 EST 2000
obstruant phonemes ȡ
ġڸ ɢ.
/Ģ (stops) ġ Ƣ¢ . ž.
distinctive sounds = phonemes
- From: kumar (@ 210.214.240.137)
on: Fri Dec 22 03:51:33 EST 2000
what is the english word for sambarani
- From: JayBee (@ 203.106.194.33)
on: Fri Dec 22 04:49:09 EST 2000
Benzoin
- From: Raveen (@ 1cust216.tnt31.lax3.da.uu.net)
on: Mon Dec 25 23:06:45 EST 2000
East - kizhakku
West - mERku
Dr. JayBee had asked in the initial stage of this thread how these names came to be. I read all the old responses and I did not see it answered( if I missed it then sorry for my input) any way it is interesting that Mani Nair also wrote in this thread that in Malayalam too it is
East - kizhakku
West - mERku
I hadread an article by a Malaylee historian that the Tamil/Malayalam words Kkizhakku and Merku have interesting etymolies and are important for identyfying the origin of Malayalees.
According to him kizhakku is derived from Keezh or down because that is where the Sun came up to the archaic Tamils. Also mERku is derived from Mel or Up because that is where the Sun sat (over the Western Ghats) so it makes sence that East caost Tamils using these terms and is an indication that the language crystalized with respect to directions in the east coast of Tamil Nadu ( presumably) but why do the Malyalees also use the term because for then the sub rises over the Mountain and sets down in the Sea. So logically speaking in Malayalam
West - kizhakku
East - mERku
But it is not. Thus this historian concluded that original speakers of present day Malayalam came over the western Ghats after Tamil speakers had invented the words for directions.
- From: Vijay Tharma (@ 12.47.73.195)
on: Wed Jan 10 11:59:18 EST 2001
Any updates on the question put forward by JayBee??
Raveen, I dont understand your(historian's) conclusion?!! *blur*
As for the word...(IMO??)
east is called kizhaku because sun rises from, bottom(kil) to top, thus kilhakku came about
and vice-versa for merku.
- From: Vijay Tharma (@ 12.47.73.195)
on: Wed Jan 10 12:04:07 EST 2001
Oh ya...akku also means eye, thus kizhaku;
kizh (down) akku (with reference to eye), hence it seems sun rises from down (bottom).
- From: Raveen (@ user1533.lv.sprint-hsd.net)
on: Mon Jan 15 18:33:43 EST 2001
Yes it is down under because the Sun rose from the Sea for Tamils. For ancient Tamils it looked like the Sun was rising from under the earth through the sea and when it sat it was over the Western Ghat mountain (over the top). It was fascinating. So what it means is with respect to Tamil it crystalized with respect to Directions in Tamil Nadu (excludinging Kerala) so if the Dravidians did come over to India, they came over with very vague sence of directions ? in another words in very early stage of human linguitic evolution ? That is very far indeed in pre history ?
- From: Mani M. Manivannan (@ pc-243-78.corp.3com.com)
on: Mon Jan 15 23:39:34 EST 2001
East is "Ezu nJAyiRu" and West is Patu njAyiRu in Malayalam. Old Tamil also had "kuNakku" (kuNa katal = eastern sea) and "kutakku" (kutakatal = western sea) for East and West. The language Kudagu literally means western language and the term for East in Kudagu is a cognate of kizakku.
Dr. JayBee hasn't posted his answer to this puzzle yet! Interestingly, meanings of these 'kIz' and 'mEl' roots of the words kizakku and mERku have confused some politicians to talk about "jappAn pOnra mElai nAtukaL"! :-))).
- From: test (@ 202.9.144.246)
on: Tue Jan 16 09:51:10 EST 2001
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- From: Raveen (@ user1533.lv.sprint-hsd.net)
on: Tue Jan 16 10:22:50 EST 2001
The Keralite professor (of what ?) who wrote about the above thesis is
The Kerala Story
by Dr. Zacharias Thundy,
Northern Michigan University
- From: Balaji (@ gla-dhcp222-208.cisco.com)
on: Tue Jan 16 10:53:01 EST 2001
Hi,
I am not sure if this is the right thread to ask this question.
But anyway,
I have heard this seyyuL:
thanthaiyodu kalvi pOm
thaayodu arusuvai undi pOm
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Can someone please tell me the rest of this seyyuL.
And who is its author ? Is it auvaiyaar ?
mikka nanRi.
Balaji
- From: Jay (@ inehou-pxy06.compaq.com)
on: Tue Jan 16 13:52:01 EST 2001
I think Ezu nJAyiRu , Padu njAyiRu - both are pure tamil words. Kannadasan describes the evening time as "Padu njAyiRRin nEram..." in his kathaikavithai "maangani". Of course the story is about chera naadu.
- From: JayBee (@ 203.106.194.143)
on: Wed Jan 17 04:16:48 EST 2001
Balaji's request has been answered in the 'AiyanggaL' thread.
- From: Raveen (@ user1533.lv.sprint-hsd.net)
on: Wed Jan 17 17:19:14 EST 2001
The Kerala Story
by Dr. Zacharias Thundy
[...]
My claim that the Keralites came from the eastern plains has linguistic support in the plain fact that Malayalam is very closely related to Tamil, an early form of which both Keralites and Tamilians once spoke, and especially in the expressions that "the sun rises kizhakku" (east, literally "from below") and "sets meekku" (west, literally "above the hills"); only people who lived east of the western Ghats could use such expressions, as Bishop Caldwell had pointed out.
[..]
The Kerala Story
by Dr. Zacharias Thundy,
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