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- From: Mani M. Manivannan (@ cpe-24-221-181-57.ca.sprintbbd.net)
on: Thu Mar 8 11:28:45
Mr. Vijyaraghavan,
First, I would like to request you to follow the netiquette in these fora. Please DO NOT QUOTE whole chunks any previous posts. And if you HAVE to do it, please use HTML tags to italicize them. Unlike the e-mails of usenet, postings in the ForumHub are only a click or two away. If you keep quoting others in their entirety, the readablility of the threads decline rapidly.
Second, let us just stick to Tolkappiyam and not convert this thread too into yet another soapbox for your anti-dravidian movement tirades. Also, if you dig deep enough into the Tamilnadu political history, you may find that irrational ideas such as "lemuria" were first introduced by the Theosophists.
Mr. Unnikrishnan,
Can you cite the evidences for a submerged mega-continent LEMURIA.. The Lemuria supercontinent was hypothesized before the continental drift theory. The speculations based on such mega-continent have been proven false.
However, there ARE old legends in the Tamil country regarding a "kumari kandam." Tamil legends allude to the loss of two pAndiyan capitals to the ocean. There may be something to these legends. Dr. Jayabharathi is an authority on Kumari legends and had presented papers on it in the International Tamil conferences. And he has been working on publishing his findings.
However, even if there was a kumari kandam, that still is not enough to prove that tolkAppiyam was indeed written 1000 years before Christ. It will be extremely hard to prove the existence of such grammatical treatises that early. There are no internal evidences in the cankam corpus to any of the cankams. In all probability, the cankam corpus was compiled and edited centuries after they were composed. These editors may have been Buddhist or Jain monks and that the label "cankam" may have come about because of that. That does not mean that there were no schools or scholarly assemblies before 500 AD. But the legends and myths associated with the muthal, itai and katai cankams appear to be quite late (after 900 AD?). Some scholars speculate that even the kumari kandam myths are of more recent origin. We are yet to see any authoritative books that can address the questions regarding the kumari legends. Hopefully, Dr. Jayabharathi will publish his book soon to help us understand this better.
- From: V.C.Vijayaraghavan (@ cache-hay.cableinet.co.uk)
on: Thu Mar 8 12:52:56
From: Mani M. Manivannan (@ cpe-24-221-181-57.ca.sprintbbd.net) on: Thu Mar 8 11:28:45
Mr. Vijyaraghavan,
First, I would like to request you to follow the netiquette in these fora. Please DO NOT QUOTE whole chunks any previous posts. And if you HAVE to do it, please use HTML tags to italicize them. Unlike the e-mails of usenet, postings in the ForumHub are only a click or two away. If you keep quoting others in their entirety, the readablility of the threads decline rapidly.
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Mr. Manivannan
I quote ONLY the relevant parts of another post as part of my argument so that my posts are self-contained. Is quoting 4-5 lines of someone too much so as to be self-contained., so that the reader does not have to look at any other post to follow what I am saying. Contrary to what you say I DON'T quote other posts in it's entirity. That you can verify.
About Lemuria being first talked of by Theosophists, so what if a alleged mass movement , allegedly based on rationalism, adopts without any criticism the ideas of a small organization of few hundred people. I have seen this Lemumuria-Tamil non-sense in school text books also. To the extent the Dravidian movement has accepted this theory without any reservations, they ought to be criticised, the "origins" notwithstanding
- From: ravi sundaram (@ 192.149.1.187)
on: Thu Mar 8 14:41:52
VCVijayaragavan,
If you insist on quoting previous posts, please includ html tags to italicize them. I think properly formated short quotes are ok, if the origianl is many (>4) old_responses clicks away. Otherwise just say, "in the posting on 23 Feb", or somekind of short reference instead of block quoting. Too much of quoting fills the page and starts a fresh page.
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Lemuria continent was postulated to explain the similarity of fauna between madagaskar (the home of Lemurs) and Australia and Far eastern islands. The tectonic plate theory adequately explains it without having to postulate such a large continent and "finding" enough water to submerge it ;-).
We (Mani, Raveen and myself) have speculated if the Flood Legends originated at the melting of last ice ages could be the "root" of the stories about what Tamil lost to the seas. I am not going to quote it, but search for flood legends in forumhub and you should be able to find it.
- From: V.C.Vijayaraghavan (@ cache-hay.cableinet.co.uk)
on: Thu Mar 8 15:23:41
Ravi Sundaram
I concentrate only on some portion , usually a short one, of another post which I think needs replying and hence to concentrate the readers' mind, I give he exact quote and so that the the other poster will not have the oppurtunity to say " I did not say that, you have misunderstood me, etc, etc..
But I will make sure whatever quote I give is short (usually nosensical statements which needs to be exposed are short and sweet).
About italicizing them, thanks for the suggestion, I will try to follow that.
- From: Pasupathy (@ pas.dialup.cs.toronto.edu)
on: Thu Mar 8 23:17:30
Mr.Unnikrishnan wrote:
Tholkappiyar belonged to what is currently known as Kappikadu (Original KappiyaKudi) in Kanyakumari district in Tamilnadu. Poet perumpAranAr, who composed the ciRappuppAyiram for TholkAppiyam, says that TholkAppiyar read his work before one "athankOtttu AsAn". Because of this reference , many do believe that TholkAppiyar belonged to ThiruvithAnkOdu (in TravancOre) in presentday KeraLA.
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