Topic suggested by Chandrasekaran on Sat Oct 31 10:33:31 .
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- From: Vanchinathan (@ 203.199.192.162)
on: Tue Oct 31 22:17:40 EST 2000
Hari: ENlightenening to listen to you.
Please continue. You put it in the right perspective.
Suppose we say today in a day-to-day conversation, "udukkai izhanthaan kai pOlE enakku avan uthavi seythaan" , it is a way of honoring both the friend and acknowledging the great ThiruvaLLuvar (eeven if we don't name vaLLuvar).
The saddest thing is in the times those "copy" authors operated there where more people like Hari to immediately catch the allusion and enjoy it all the more.
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Ramji: About Gibran's words on originality of thought: Just last night we'd a dinner with kanchana Damodharan hours before she took her flight to USA and discussed ISaac Asimov's story "Jokester".
If you haven't read it please do so. You'll understand the full force of the words of Gibran you just quoted.
- From: JayBee (@ bkj-cache81.jaring.my)
on: Tue Oct 31 23:40:01 EST 2000
º¢Ä ÀÆõÀ¡¼ø¸¨Çò ¾ØÅ¢ º¢Ä À¡ðÎì¸¨Ä ÂüÈ¢¨ÂÕôÀ¾¡¸ ¸Å¢ÂÃÍ ¸ñ½¾¡ºý ÜÈ¢ÔûÇ¡÷.
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«Å§Ã ¦º¡ýÉо¡ý.
Some times people do copy. But at the same time,people take the liberty of using some phrases from something that has attracted ther hearts. At other times, they will get their inspiration from ceratain lines or phrases.
At some other times it can be a strange case of 'Great Minds think alike'
- From: ÃÅ¢ Íó¾Ãõ (@ 192.149.1.187) on: Wed Nov 1 10:00:19 EST 2000
JB:
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- From: Pasupathy (@ pas.dialup.cs.toronto.edu) on: Wed Nov 1 11:13:41 EST 2000
À¡Ã¢ Á¸Ç¢÷ ( «ù¨Å¡÷ «øÄ..) À¡Ê À¡¼ø:
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- From: Ramji (@ 205.177.170.120) on: Wed Nov 1 13:34:11 EST 2000
Vanchinathan:
I used Gibran's words on children- " Your children are not your own.They came through you and not from you." - I "copied" the words and inserted thought in the place of children. Now I can openly say "copied" because copying suddenly seems to have attained a new stature.:)
Hari et al, do please continue this.
Suddenly, I can not read the Tamil here without copy(again?:))\ pasting to murasu anjal.Why?
- From: JayBee (@ bkj-cache81.jaring.my) on: Wed Nov 1 18:17:09 EST 2000
"Peccavi" I have sinned:-)
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ÁýÉ¢ì¸.
- From: murugan (@ 202.151.224.146) on: Thu Nov 2 00:28:41 EST 2000
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- From: ÃÅ¢ Íó¾Ãõ (@ 192.149.1.187) on: Thu Nov 2 08:09:18 EST 2000
JB,
µ, ¿£í¸û¾¡ý À¢Ã¢§¸ÊÂ÷ ¦ƒÉÃø º÷ º¡÷øŠ §¿ôÀ¢Â§Ã¡?
- From: Hari Krishnan (@ 202.144.64.4) on: Thu Nov 2 09:53:46 EST 2000
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- From: JayBee (@ bkj-cache81.jaring.my) on: Thu Nov 2 18:05:58 EST 2000
>>>>>From: ÃÅ¢ Íó¾Ãõ (@ 192.149.1.187) on: Thu Nov 2 08:09:18 EST 2000
JB,
µ, ¿£í¸û¾¡ý À¢Ã¢§¸ÊÂ÷ ¦ƒÉÃø º÷ º¡÷øŠ §¿ôÀ¢Â§Ã¡? <<<<<<
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- From: Hari Krishnan (@ 203.199.227.21) on: Thu Nov 2 20:05:16 EST 2000
¼¡ì¼÷ §ƒÀ¢ ÁüÚõ ÃÅ¢ Íó¾Ãõ - ±ýÉ §Àº¢ì¸È£í¸ýÛ ±ÎòÐî ¦º¡ýÉ¡Ä¡¸¡¾¡?
- From: JayBee (@ bkj-cache81.jaring.my) on: Fri Nov 3 01:18:30 EST 2000
Oh, Just some simple fun with pun.
- From: ÃÅ¢ Íó¾Ãõ (@ 192.149.1.187) on: Fri Nov 3 09:15:31 EST 2000
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- From: JayBee (@ bkj-cache81.jaring.my) on: Fri Nov 3 18:41:51 EST 2000
'¸Åº¾¡Ã¢ò §¾÷ôÀ¨¼¸Ç¡ø '. Panzer ±ýÀ¾üÌò ¾Á¢Æ¡ì¸õ. Ó¾ýӨȡ¸ô À¡÷츢§Èý.
- From: JayBee (@ 202.151.224.98) on: Fri Nov 3 21:41:23 EST 2000
>>>>>>From: ÃÅ¢ Íó¾Ãõ (@ 192.149.1.187) on: Fri Nov 3 09:15:31 EST 2000
1944 ʺõÀ÷ Á¡¾õ 22õ §¾¾¢ «¦Áâì¸ô À¨¼¸û À¡Š§¼¡ý (Bostogne) ±Ûõ
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측𺢠'A Bridge Too Far', 'Battle of the Bulge' ¬¸¢Â À¼í¸Ç¢ø ÅÕõ ±ýÚ »¡À¸õ. 'Patton'ø źÉìÌÈ¢ôÀ¡¸ ÅÕõ.
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- From: JayBee (@ bkj-cache81.jaring.my) on: Sat Nov 4 01:43:27 EST 2000
Although this has nothing to do with 'Ilakkiyaththil Copy', it follows through as a filament of fabric from the main thread.
Here is the incident that I have quoted above-
The dialog between Patton and Chaplain O'Neill the preceeded the publication of the prayer:
Patton: Chaplain, I want you to publish a prayer for good weather. I'm tired of these soldiers having to fight mud and floods as well as Germans. See if we can't get God to work on our side.
Chaplain: Sir, it's going to take a pretty thick rug for that kind of prayer.
Patton: I don't care if it takes a flying carpet, I want that praying done.
Chaplain:Yes, sir. May I say, General, that it usually isn't customary that among men of my profession to pray for clear weather to kill fellow men.
Patton: Chaplain, are you teaching me theology or are you the Chaplain of the Third Army? I want a prayer!
Tought position for the chaplain to be in, and I think he did a good job of it considering the circumstances.
"Almighty and most merciful Father, we humbly beseech Thee, of Thy great goodness, to restrain these immoderate rains with which we have had to contend. Grant us fair weather for Battle. Graciously hearken to us as soldiers who call upon Thee that, armed with Thy power, we may advance from victory to victory and crush the oppression and wickedness of our enemies, and establish Thy justice among men and nations. Amen"
- From: JayBee (@ bkj-cache81.jaring.my) on: Sat Nov 4 01:46:16 EST 2000
Sorry. Its rain and not snow as I have written earlier.
- From: ÃÅ¢ Íó¾Ãõ (@ pa-bethelpark4a-171.pit.adelphia.net) on: Sat Nov 4 09:26:07 EST 2000
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- From: ÃÅ¢ Íó¾Ãõ (@ 192.149.1.187) on: Fri Nov 17 13:16:53 EST 2000
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